Buying Sarco Glazing Putty
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Andy in NH



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The putty that I bagged late last summer is still the same consistancy. I have a bag which has been opened (and rolled back up) that I will check in the morning.

Andy
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jade



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

after i scoop out a sufficient amount of sarco putty, i smooth out the surface and cover it with water so that the putty doesn't dry out...because my latest 80 pound bucket was delivered without a handle, it made dumping the water each time a bit of a strain...so i decided to decant a few small 'servings' into 1 gallon zip lock bags...i sucked out the air and rolled to bags...i am not happy to report that, upon opening the bags, i found the putty to have a thin layer of dry skin...i am using the bagged putty for bedding the glass only as it contains lumps which would be apparrent after finish tooling....no putty will go to waste as i only bagged about 1.5 gallons of the five...

...jade
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Andy in NH



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Sarco in a bag (lots of pictures) Reply with quote

There is a good and valid reason why I use the heavy vacuum seal bags - as Jade has found out.
The bags I use are about twice the thickness of the freezer grade zip locks with subtantially more heat seal area around the edges.
Hopefully these pictures should help explain how it all works.

The one picture I don't have right now is of an unopened bag as I am awaiting a fresh delivery. The subject bag has been open for about 6 weeks.

This is one of my working stock trays:


This is the bag that was on the right, unrolled to show some of the extra length that is added when sealing in order to
provide plenty of roll-up room (note - this bag is about half used).


This is what the putty looks like in the open bag (cue the restorer's version of Homer Simpson - "Mmmm - Putty").
I roll down the sides and run a quick wipe around the edge for the very small amount of dried material that may be
present in the squeeze/flat zone. As you can see the putty itself stays moist and ready.


After use, you squeeze the air out like so:


Then fold over once or twice. I use rubber bands (see first picture) when needed to keep the bag from unrolling and store the putty in a cooler area of the shop when not is use.



Hope this helps clear things up.

Andy


Last edited by Andy in NH on Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:39 pm; edited 1 time in total
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had envisioned that opening the seal damaged the bag. So, you put putty in the bag, vacuum out the air, and heat seal the end. Then when the bag is opened, your heat seal is separated, but the bag remains intact and it can be rolled up--neat system.
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Greg



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I glazed 4 sashes in my spare time over the weekend using Sarco putty purchased from Andy in NH. It was a pleasure to work with. It hasn't skinned over just yet, but it tooled fantastic and Andy's method to re-use the same bag worked well for me.

We have high humidity here, so I am curious to find out how long it will take to skin over.

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jade



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greg....
spare time? what's that???

glad the sarco worked well for you...apparently, andy's set up for bagging is superior to mine...since sarco doesn't sell the 1-,2- or 3-gallon containers on a regualr basis, i may need to get a seal-a-putty machine for myself......

...jade
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered 2 gallons of Sarco for our window preservation project down here in Atlanta. I had ground shipping and it got here in two days.

We've set up a window workshop onsite at the (locally) famous Grant Mansion, have pulled out a bunch of sash, set up steam deglazing, lead-safe operations, etc. Tomorrow we start wood repairs, then glazing, painting, you know the whole routine. A carpenter, project manager and handy-man are learning all the ropes.

They had me come down because there are no historic window specialists in all of Atlanta. By the time I leave the vinyl pirates will have quite a surprise on their hands.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:47 pm    Post subject: Sarco Dual Glaze Elastic Glazing Compound Reply with quote

Is the Sarco Dual Glaze Elastic Glazing Compound that is sold by Abatron the same as Sarco Type - M? Abatron does not have a tech data sheet for this.

http://www.abatron.com/cms/buildingandrestorationproducts/woodrestorationaccessories/glazingcompound.html
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Andy in NH



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multi-Glaze (type M) is a shop glazing compound that has fast drying times and is meant to be used in the shop. Dual Glaze has much longer cure times and can be applied to sash in-situ.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Dual vs. Type M Reply with quote

Andy in NH wrote:
Multi-Glaze (type M) is a shop glazing compound that has fast drying times and is meant to be used in the shop. Dual Glaze has much longer cure times and can be applied to sash in-situ.


Thanks Andy,
Since there is not a fact sheet available for Sarco I hope you don't mind me asking you some more questions. I am trying to figure out the best option that I can give contractors and architects that frequently call our office.

What is the drying time for Dual Glaze compared to Type M?

Is Dual Glaze any good and would you recommend it?

What is the oil in Sarco and have they figured out the mildew problem?
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Lacruiser



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Anyone want to share an order? And: How to store the putty Reply with quote

I spoke with Ed this morning, he said that if you store the putty in very cold temps, it will last almost indefinitely. He said the freezer is fine.

The minimum order is 2 gallons, I probably need less than a gallon for my project. I need the "dual glaze" for my project, not the type M.

I'm in Los Angeles, does anyone around the LA area want to split an order wtih me? I know the product is about $17.50 per gallon, plus shipping.

let me know if you do

thanks

Dana
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abatron (the epoxy folks) offer Dual Glaze by the quart and gallon:

http://www.abatron.com/cms/buildingandrestorationproducts/woodrestorationaccessories/glazingcompound.html

I have never used DualGlaz and have not done any testing with it.

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Lacruiser



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply, John.

Actually, the website shows a gallon and a Pint, not a Qt.

But, if you click on the picture, the can shows a "Half-Pint".

maybe enough for one window?

Dana
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dual Glaze is available in both quart and Pint. When I first began we bought Dual Glaze in the quart size from our local glass shop. Oh, by the way it comes in either off white or gray. The word from Jenny (our glazier is she still prefers Dual Glaze over Type M (or multi-glaze as was mentioned). And still uses it under oil finish coat. She does use Type M when she kneeds to cover it with Latex paint.
Type M skins over much faster than the Dual Glaze. Which may mean it dries completely through quicker also. Shorter life from this? I don't know.

We have a lot of sashes out with Dual Glaze. Its good stuff.

As for how to store. We buy it by the five gallon bucket. We keep a layer of water over it. Jenny pulls out what she kneeds, pats it dry and starts kneading it. Voila! No dryness and ready to go when you kneed it.

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jade



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yowza, the price at abatron is up there...about double what sarco charges...i told dana i have a bucket with about a gallon in it that i will ship...still interested dana?
...jade
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