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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Sash Cord, types and suppliers Reply with quote

Richard Byrne has just sent this note on sash cord:

John - There is a pile of junk cords on the market. See if you can find the
Spot Cord [red dot] maybe at True Value or ACE hardware. It's been mfg.
since at least 1860 in this format for which I have ads. See attached.

Suppliers of bulk cord by the reel:

Hodell Natco, 1200 about $150

Columbia Knot Basin



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sampson cord is also mentioned and described in the 1922 edition of The Architect's and Builder's Handbook:

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=DWsmAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Architects+and+Builders+Handbook%22&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=it0eWaNd5h&sig=VfgD_zCpKcPBvxwwqKku1AlwZqc&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA1649,M1

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Window Rope broken Reply with quote

John,
I have several windows that have broken sash cords. I also do not have access to the weight pockets as their in not an access without removing the casing which is more trouble than its worth. I was wondering if perhaps their was a tool I could use to reach into the pocket via the pulley and grab the broken rope and pull it back up.

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be quite a 'fishing expidition,' working blind down in there. I've never done it.

I have cut my own pocket doors though. I use a thin-kerf (.8mm) wood cutting blade on a Fein Multi-Tool.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:21 am    Post subject: Samson Red Spot #8 and #10 sash cord Reply with quote

We maintain a large inventory of Red Spot cord #8 and #10 size in 100' hanks for immediate shipment.

You can order it online from our site

http://www.smithrestorationsash.com/

we also stock storm sash hardware, reproduction Acro numbering tacks, pulleys, springbolts, stop bead adjusters etc.


best regards,

Justin Smith
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cords with nylon cores will stretch significantly less than cords with poly-propylene or polyester cores. Sampson Spot Cord:
http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?rope=214
has nylon core.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such thing as a solid cotton cord anymore?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samson's Tiger Sash Cord
http://www.samsonrope.com/index.cfm?ind=37&app=41&rope=217&inst=1
has a solid braided cover with a cotton core. Steve Hartley reports, "It holds up to our southern moisture pretty well." Steve is an historic preservation instructor at Savannah Technical College, in Savannah, Georgia.

Update 10/2012: Tiger cord is now 20% polyester. Hercules cord made by Cancord in Canada is 100% cotton.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

does no one else go with brass chain in lieu of rope?

to me, nicer look, and much more 'permanent' for lack of a better word.

last time i got a 200 foot roll it was about a dollar a foot, rated at 50 pounds per foot.

just need S hooks to attach to the sash and attach the weight.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am using oil rubbed bronze chain on 34 window openings for my current project (w/jeremy ballard)...the cost is closer to $2 a foot.....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a recent project where "sustainability" and "low carbon footprint" were prime objectives, the building owner decided to stay with all cotton cord rather than upgrade to metal chain. The carbon footprint of metal chain was something like 350 times that of cotton cord, partly base on metal vs. cotton, but also that the metal chain was made in China and was shipped half-way around the globe, and the cotton cord was made 90 miles away in the next state of cotton grown right here in North America.

They grow a lot of flax in Canada. I bet it's still possible to get flax cord there. I wonder if they traditionally used flax cord to hang sash there there. We once found flax sash cord in use at a house in Massachusetts from about 1830.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We do have a lok of flax up here. Even the roads dept uses it on the banks on the sides of the highways instead of grass!
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jade wrote:
i am using oil rubbed bronze chain on 34 window openings for my current project (w/jeremy ballard)...the cost is closer to $2 a foot.....


if you're using the kilian's chain, yeah, it is quite a bit higher. i used it on two of the larger 1 3/4 thick windows i have, but for smaller ones, just hardware store brass chain.
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when using chain, i typically will go with a #25 bronze which can handle an 80 pound load...in this case, the architect specified #35 oil rubbed bronze to match the hardware, i think it was over $2 a foot actually....

most of the hardware stores around me only carry zinc...
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I've ever switched a window that originated with sash cord to chain. I guess I prefer cord. I like how it looks and how it sounds. I don't think I've ever had a request for chain either.

I have never switched those windows that originated with chain to sash cord. Mostly we seen chain on comercial windows, or in those homes with higher end windows. Mostly we see chain on 1 3/4" sashes.

Do hardware store sell solid brass or plated brass? I've not even looked or considered them a source for chain.

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